401K VS Roth IRA (YOU THINK YOUR GOING TO BE A MILLIONAIRE? THINK AGAIN!)

by | Dec 7, 2022 | Roth IRA | 27 comments




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For a high-income earner, a traditional could be the better option.

In the United States, a 401(k) plan is an employer-sponsored defined-contribution pension account defined in subsection 401(k) of the Internal Revenue Code.[1] Employee funding comes directly off their paycheck and may be matched by the employer. There are two types: traditional and Roth 401(k). For Roth accounts, contributions and withdrawals have no impact on income tax. For traditional accounts, contributions may be deducted from taxable income, and withdrawals are added to taxable income. There are limits to contributions,[2] rules governing withdrawals, and possible penalties.

The benefit of the Roth account is from tax-free capital gains. The net benefit of the traditional account is the sum of a possible bonus (or penalty) from withdrawals at tax rates lower (or higher) than at contribution, and the impact on qualification for other income-tested programs from contributions and withdrawals reducing and adding to taxable income, minus the consequences of capital gains being taxed at regular income rates.

Before 1974, a few U.S. employers had been giving their staff the option of receiving cash in lieu of an employer-paid contribution to their tax-qualified retirement plan accounts. The U.S. Congress banned new plans of this type in 1974, pending further study. After that study was completed, Congress reauthorized such plans, provided they satisfied certain special requirements. Congress did this by enacting Internal Revenue Code Section 401(k) as part of the Revenue Act. This occurred on November 6, 1978.

Traditional
Income taxes on pre-tax contributions and investment earnings in the form of interest and dividends are tax-deferred. The ability to defer income taxes to a period where one’s tax rates may be lower is a potential benefit of the 401(k) plan. The ability to defer income taxes has no benefit when the participant is subject to the same tax rates in retirement as when the original contributions were made or interest and dividends earned. Earnings from investments in a 401(k) account in the form of capital gains are not subject to capital gains taxes. This ability to avoid this second level of tax is a primary benefit of the 401(k) plan. Relative to investing outside of 401(k) plans, more income tax is paid but less taxes are paid overall with the 401(k) due to the ability to avoid taxes on capital gains.

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For pre-tax contributions, the employee does not pay federal income tax on the amount of current income he or she defers to a 401(k) account but does still pay the total 7.65% payroll taxes (social security and medicare). For example, a worker who otherwise earns $50,000 in a particular year and defers $3,000 into a 401(k) account that year only reports $47,000 in income on that year’s tax return. Currently, this would represent a near-term $660 saving in taxes for a single worker, assuming the worker remained in the 22% marginal tax bracket and there were no other adjustments (like deductions). The employee ultimately pays taxes on the money as he or she withdraws the funds, generally during retirement. The character of any gains (including tax-favored capital gains) is transformed into “ordinary income” at the time the money is withdrawn.

If the employee made after-tax contributions to the 401(k) account, these amounts are commingled with the pre-tax funds and simply add to the 401(k) basis. When distributions are made the taxable portion of the distribution will be calculated as the ratio of the after-tax contributions to the total 401(k) basis. The remainder of the distribution is tax-free and not included in gross income for the year.

Roth
For accumulated after-tax contributions and earnings in a designated Roth account (Roth 401(k)), “qualified distributions” can be made tax-free. To qualify, distributions must be made more than 5 years after the first designated Roth contributions and not before the year in which the account owner turns age 59+1⁄2, unless an exception applies as detailed in IRS code section 72(t). In the case of designated Roth contributions, the contributions being made on an after-tax basis means that the taxable income in the year of contribution is not decreased as it is with pre-tax contributions. Roth contributions are irrevocable and cannot be converted to pre-tax contributions at a later date. (In contrast to Roth individual retirement accounts (IRAs), where Roth contributions may be recharacterized as pre-tax contributions.) Administratively, Roth contributions must be made to a separate account, and records must be kept that distinguish the amount of contribution and the corresponding earnings that are to receive Roth treatment.

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Unlike the Roth IRA, there is no upper-income limit capping eligibility for Roth 401(k) contributions. Individuals who find themselves disqualified from a Roth IRA may contribute to their Roth 401(k)

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27 Comments

  1. Vince Taylor

    401k's are done! I like your thought process! Get a building instead!

  2. Ann miller

    Agreed that the Roth 401(k) is an awesome new addition, but I don't feel comfortable putting ALL contributions in the Roth, it is not always better. I think for higher income earners, deferring the taxes could be a great benefit

  3. Pat Currie

    Roth IRA's are subject to market swings too. I moved 5K to start Roth from dismal saving acct, I lost 340 bucks in the first 30 days!

  4. william sanders

    I moved all my monies out of Traditional and opened a ROTH>. Used half the the monies from traditional and paid off my house!

  5. v

    The gotcha of IRAs (Roth or Traditional) is that they  do have limits on contributions based on your income. I have the good problem of making too much money to contribute to my old Roth IRA.

  6. ROYAL GAMING

    Some company 401k's have limited investment options and are potential scams. This caller might be experiencing this and Dave just writes it off as if the caller could have picked a 12% return investment. That option might not have existed in their choices!

  7. ANSH BHATEJA music

    finally something you are qualified to talk about this!  You at least paid into in for 15 years.  Many you tubers never had a real job and they are telling me how to pay into my 401k

  8. ~Enjoy your life~

    It fascinates how investors pull through this in the investments space.  A 401K is a company telling you to use your own money so they can use it in the stock market and you can get a match , but often times you don’t get the full match unless you stay in the company for 5-10 years or more . Since no one gives pensions anymore you have to now use your peanuts of a paycheck to save for your retirement and to pay for the expensive and often mandatory health insurance . Fun times .n coin at a time Inflate and deflate without notice, for me I would have had a heart attack

  9. X. Mking

    Thanks for sharing.  The only reason I contributed to my company’s plan was for the match.

  10. Austin Cole

    Interesting content as always, videos like this and insight from an expert really goes a long way.

  11. Putri Sekar

    There are good people in the government! They will stop it.

  12. X ARMY

    What was the most you ever had in your 401k?

  13. RANI GAMING 786

    Mcclone, How many times did you punch your clown to today?

  14. David Kent

    Well Said brother! that was pretty creative what you did!!!!!!

  15. Saint Peters

    I am worried we could have another 2008 situation. I don't trust these people controlling the money in these institutions

  16. sam Harris

    ROTH ALL THE WAY BROTHER! GET YOUR MONEY OUT OF YOUR 401K BEFORE THEY TAKE IT! IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN…..

  17. sweetstella

    Tim, your clown and you fill my head with happiness!

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  20. tvshowfan

    Well done Mac, we are keeping an eye on you!

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    I hear your single again! The man is putting back on the shoes! Can the legend still pull? I think so….

  22. TrimmiKing

    Tim, why are you wasting your time with youtube! You must be really bored with all that money.

  23. Arbeeen

    I found this quite helpful, I"m 48 years old and only had a superficial understanding of 401k plans. Nobody in HR explains 401k's because I don't think they know! I just got a new job and I'm going to have to tell people what everything is in their HR packet… Maybe I'll just show them your videos! If your nice!!!!

  24. Penguin

    I have a 401K from over 12 years ago when I worked in retail for 3-4 years. It's not much but they always send me the paperwork. Somehow this mail always finds me after so many moves, when other stuff doesn't. I feel like an idiot for not really knowing how this plan works and if any job since ( not many as I've been a freelancer and worked abroad) has offered it besides my most current and this one.

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