The Paradox of Rising Interest Rates: Predicting the Economic Downturn

by | Aug 15, 2023 | Recession News | 21 comments




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Title: Forecasting the Recession: The Irony of Increasing Interest Rates

Introduction:

As the global economy recovers from the devastating impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, economists and policymakers are striving to accurately predict the path towards stability and growth. Central to this economic forecasting is the perplexing irony of increasing interest rates during a post-recession period. Typically, lowering interest rates is a standard tool used to stimulate economic activity and curb a downturn. However, the current scenario challenges this conventional wisdom, posing a significant predicament for predicting the impending recession. This article explores the possibility of increasing interest rates and the associated irony in forecasting an economic recession.

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Historical Context:

Traditionally, when an economy experiences a recession or slowdown, central banks resort to lowering interest rates to incentivize borrowing and spending. Lower interest rates can bolster consumer spending, business investments, and housing purchases. This approach aims to stimulate economic activity and revive growth. However, the unprecedented nature of the COVID-19 pandemic has disrupted this predictable paradigm.

Evaluating the Irony:

The irony lies in the positive correlation between increasing interest rates and a growing economy. During the recovery phase following a recession, the possibility of rising interest rates emerges as a result of heightened inflationary pressure. As the demand for goods and services rises in a recovering economy, prices tend to increase simultaneously, leading to inflation. Central banks typically respond to rising inflation by increasing interest rates to contain this upward spiral.

The Stagnant Economy and Inflation:

The current economic landscape has presented an unusual situation. While the world yearns for economic revitalization, the post-pandemic scenario has, paradoxically, brought forth a stalling economy coupled with inflationary worries. The massive financial stimulus packages injected into the global economy to curb the pandemic’s disastrous effects have contributed to rising prices, particularly in essential commodities and housing markets.

Central Banks’ Dilemma:

With inflation rates deviating from the norm, central banks face a dilemma when determining interest rate policies. Increasing interest rates to curb inflation could inadvertently slow down an already sluggish recovery, whereas maintaining low rates risks exacerbating inflationary pressures. Policymakers must carefully balance these variables to prevent an economic tailspin.

The Uncertainty of Forecasts:

Given this irony, forecasting an impending recession becomes complex, as the usual interest rate-oriented indicators may not yield accurate predictions. Analysts and experts are grappling with the conundrum of predicting when and if central banks will opt for increased interest rates to address inflation. The uncertainty surrounding this decision further compounds the challenges economists face in forecasting the future economic trajectory.

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Conclusion:

Forecasting an economic recession in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic poses a unique challenge due to the irony of increasing interest rates. Historically, lower interest rates have been the go-to tool to stimulate economic recovery, but rising inflationary pressures during the current period complicate the situation. Central banks face the difficult task of managing a potential recession while addressing surging inflation. As economists strive to predict the future, it is crucial to acknowledge this ironical twist in the conventional playbook of interest rate fluctuations and remain vigilant in monitoring economic indicators for an accurate forecast.

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21 Comments

  1. TheTangofrog

    Nice haircut Jason.

  2. Charlie Yvonne

    BILL ACKMAN: WE ARE SHORT IN SIZE THE 30-YEAR TREASURYS

  3. RJC101

    Great video, thanks Jason!

  4. MrRyan83

    But lending is slowing. So not sure so correct.

  5. Mark PH

    Thanks Jason. Your videos are great, keep it up. Thank you. One question: I get the sense that the dollar will go down. What is a good way to take it manage of that?

  6. none of your business

    There is and was no recession. The government just raised interest rates to stop rich people from buying up All of the assets and to try and keep the market from exploding. They also want the $3000 and the monthly unemployment payments back which people received during the pandemic. They are especially angry about that, along with republicans who say people don't want to work anymore. It's as simple as interest rates are high and rich business owners and investors can't get free money anymore. I'm so tired of the wealthy crying about this daily.

  7. b

    interesting analysis…i like your comments on mike wilson….your projections seem plausible…time will tell…long russell 2000….:) thanks!

  8. Willie Walker

    Important to figure out why rates are rising? Inflation v economic strength.

  9. Chetan Raut

    Hi Jason, this is really enlightening. Thanks! This seems to be the reason why in most of prior recessions too inverted yield curve leads recession by 1.5 years roughly.

  10. Truth Prevails

    The US is upside down. The more incoherent you are, the more power you have. The higher the debt the stronger your balance sheet.

  11. TH B

    Are banks lending????

  12. christopher OByrne

    Even though the 10 year is only at 3.8% the majority of companies are raising money in the 9%-15% range. Huge private lenders are on CNBC every day talking about how this is the golden age of private lending. Banks both regional and large are having issues with the competitive nature of the deposit base. 12 months out from now you will see the deep impact of these high caring costs on profits. The days of free money are gone which will put more pressure on margins.

  13. cwsi

    HUMBLE, GENIUS.. Wish I'd known about Jason 1 year ago instead I wasted my time with Ron Walker and Maverick, perma bears that rinsed many accounts and continue to be a pain in retails a$$

  14. Joshua Burns

    I dont think the bears were expecting trillions of dollars of Government spending and Shadow liquidity

  15. Steven Wilson

    A couple things: inventories didn't decline in the first half across most of the S&P like your narrative assumes, what has been declining is earnings and margins. I don't give a shit if a company "beats" if YoY revenue is down 18%. GDP did increase but you are ignoring the components. For example, consumption continued to decline along with investment, the big number was the government spending portion which got the overall number positive. That isn't indicative of a healthy economy. In fact, it foretells an uptick in inflation as government prints positive GDP numbers and the fed will have to continue hiking as the CPI numbers start heading back in the wrong direction.

  16. Steve Chen

    Love your insights and as a fundamental equity investor, what you described is also what I see in earnings calls and also from my peers in terms of positioning. Wonder if you could shed light on a question on COT SP500 futures. Who are the commercial players in this market? If they are long fund or large asset managers, their natural position is long, in what situation would they go long the futures and still qualify as for hedging? I am seeing a huge long also from Asset Manager, but I think your theory (and I agree) commercial and leveraged funds' positioning is the contrarian indicator that works. Could you maybe share a little insight? Thank you.

  17. superhearingcloud

    Jason has capitulated in spirit yay, buy with both fists this short covering rally has just begun, nothing can stop this stock market.

  18. samthedoor

    Question, what if we get higher inflation prints in a week or so? I don't think this is a consensus view. But if it happens, that seems like the market would not be very happy.

  19. Jonathan King

    i think bears will capitulate when the next dip gets bought. nothing changes sentiment like price, so i think it's folly to assume you have to wait for continued growth before bears will capitulate. all that needs to happen is stock market continues to make highs.

  20. Patrick Bakowski

    The 30 year chart looks as dramatic as the 2 year chart, so I don’t really get that part of his argument, but I do get hai argument for the 3% raise just not being big enough to knock business, perhaps it’s the same idea for regular people and equity they pull from their place

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